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tvfan721

07-22-2011, 03:20 PM

On Youtube and on various message boards, the growing opinion seems to be that BNL is better now that Steve is no longer there. I'm seeing performances on Youtube and reading comments about how Ed does a better job with Steve's songs than Steve himself did, such Old Apartment and TITNIFAATW. Obviously I don't agree but whatever.

If more and more fans are starting to think like this, then BNL might as well take advantage of this. It would be good a business decision and other bands such as Styx and Journey have already done it after losing their original lead singers. I actually wouldn't mind it since Steve would still get songwriter credit so it's not like he would be erased from history or anything. These are the songs I think Ed should re-record the vocals for:

1. The Old Apartment
2. Too Little Too Late
3. What A Good Boy
4. Tonight Is The Night I Feel Asleep At The Wheel
5. It's All Been Done
6. Brian Wilson

That would make a nice EP that you could download off of ITunes.

Suebee42

07-22-2011, 03:35 PM

I don't agree, either, and I think re-recording them would be extremely insulting, and disrespectful of Steve. If they did it, I'd be bowing out permanently, sad to say.

I've already pretty much lost interest in attending non-cruise concerts, thanks to Artist Arena's bumbling, so it probably wouldn't take much for me at this point. That situation would fall into "last straw" territory for me.

RockShrimp

07-22-2011, 10:19 PM

On Youtube and on various message boards, the growing opinion seems to be that BNL is better now that Steve is no longer there. [citation needed]

NFede14

07-23-2011, 12:16 AM

I'd be okay with an acoustic sessions type-deal, but not just steve songs. Including an acoustic sessions with just Steve songs re-sung by Ed would be insulting, but doing something with a whole catalog feel (having songs like these apples and when i fall included) would be okay.

AnotherHeartbreak

07-23-2011, 12:21 AM

tvfan721

07-23-2011, 02:25 AM

[citation needed]

Have a look yourself, it's easy to find.

geezabird

07-23-2011, 11:08 AM

I don't think they should. Steve has an incredible voice and certain songs, for example songs like Break Your Heart, I just don't think Ed could do them justice. Yes, Ed has got a great voice, but Steve's voice suits those songs perfectly.
As far as I'm aware, I haven't seen evidence of the band wanting to remove Steve from their history. They still kept his vocals in TBBT video. So I don't see a reason for them to re-record some Steve songs, especially not for release.

kgraves6

07-23-2011, 12:37 PM

First of all, if you want recordings of Ed singing those songs, go to http://www.bnluk.net and get the free downloads that Liam has made available of 5 UK concerts from Sept.2010.

Second, wait for Stop Us If You've Heard This One Before to come out- or at least the track listing..... the second disc is supposed to contain rarities and alternate versions... which MAY include Ed singing one or more of those somgs (and Tyler singing Alcohol, and Kevin singing SOYV....)

Shardith

07-23-2011, 01:01 PM

Have a look yourself, it's easy to find.

It's your responsibility, as well as good posting etiquette, to make your case by citing examples and links to back up your observations. I'm sure it will be easy to add the links needed to your original post. It's really not RockShrimp's or anyone else's job to to so.

RockShrimp

07-23-2011, 02:04 PM

It's your responsibility, as well as good posting etiquette, to make your case by citing examples and links to back up your observations. I'm sure it will be easy to add the links needed to your original post. It's really not RockShrimp's or anyone else's job to to so.

just saying most of what I've seen is either
1) People who didn't like Steven or his voice for some other reason,
2) People who don't know anyone left the band,
3) People who say it sounds good now but that just because they like it now it doesn't mean they didn't like it before or that it is "better" it's just "different"
4) People who are bitter and like to insist that the rest of the band is trying to pretend he never existed and mention it repeatedly in posts that would have been reasonable without the added comments, in thinly veiled and clumsy attempts to cause controversy.

:rolleyes:

tvfan721

07-23-2011, 03:28 PM

You just can't win on this board lol This thread is pro Ed and the rest of the BNL, and you're still pissy. I wasn't lying when I said I wouldn't mind Ed doing this. As long as it was just something off of Itunes like a bonus.

Janie

07-24-2011, 03:22 PM

Should Ed re-record some of Steve's better known songs?

No.

jeannie76

07-25-2011, 11:57 AM

yay4bnl

07-25-2011, 03:47 PM

I would love to get album quality recordings of the "Steve" songs that Ed is already singing when they do live shows!

I don't get what the big deal is; he is already doing them live, why would it be a big deal if we got higher quality recordings of what he is already doing?

Just my 2 cents! :cool:

I agree. While I fell in love with BNL for Steve's voice, I actually wish the upcoming greatest hits album had been rerecorded with Ed on lead. Why? Not because I want to erase Steve from band history, but because I've already purchased the studio versions of nine of the fourteen songs twice, four of them once, and You Run Away... Well, I purchased it once, but have about twelve other copies I've gotten from concert going. In other words, unless this album has something different as a selling point, I feel like I'm being a tiny bit gouged by being asked to buy it again just to get to the second album of rarities... For me, it'd be worth buying if the greatest hits tracks were different in any way from what I already have, including if Ed sings them.

OrdinaryOne

07-25-2011, 09:31 PM

If you are keeping stats - I'm in this boat:

3) People who say it sounds good now but that just because they like it now it doesn't mean they didn't like it before or that it is "better" it's just "different"

And I go based on evidence - they did NOT re-record the BBT theme for the video so if they were going to do any type of re-recording wouldn't that have been the most obvious one to do? The newest one - where Steve isn't the main solo voice so really one of the least impacted songs for a change. And yet they didn't touch it. So why would they do it to any of the other tracks? And I fully admit I do not want nor need the current version of IIHAMD on a CD. The live versions are _enough_.

I bought Disc One for the 4 new tracks it came with (and when I just went to my iTunes to make sure I had the # of songs right I see I only loaded those 4 tracks to my library since I had the others from the other CDs already). So if the new GH doesn't come with new tracks (or only comes with BBT which I already have off of iTunes) then I won't need it. If it comes as a package deal to get the other 'rarities' then fine I'll get it and file it away just like I did with all the other tracks on Disc One.

Although the original point wasn't about the new GH - it was about having an entirely separate offering of re-recorded songs by Ed and to that I still say no thanks. I love his voice - I love those songs but I'd rather they spend time on new material than recreating or re-writing history.

~jen

TheHYPO

07-26-2011, 12:09 AM

And I go based on evidence - they did NOT re-record the BBT theme for the video so if they were going to do any type of re-recording wouldn't that have been the most obvious one to do? The newest one - where Steve isn't the main solo voice so really one of the least impacted songs for a change. And yet they didn't touch it. So why would they do it to any of the other tracks? And I fully admit I do not want nor need the current version of IIHAMD on a CD. The live versions are _enough_.

If they released the live shows like they used to, I'd be happy with those recordings, but they are few and far between and not necessarily the best performances of each song that I've seen. I'd very much enjoy having those releases.

But to differ with you on your other point, I don't think BBT would be "THE" song they would re-record if they were going to.

If they were going to do it, I'd submit it would be on a song with Steve as lead vocal - BBT few in the public sphere will hear BBT performed live and go "that's not the same voice doing the high harmony. Why is Jim singing it?" But people WOULD notice "Hey, that's not the same voice singing Old Apartment". If they are going to promote a Hits album with concerts, I'd respectfully submit that if they were going to re-record anything, it would be the Steve-leads, so that in the live shows it would match up.

But don't get me wrong; I'm not in the camp that wants Ed to re-record studio Steve tracks. Leave the past in the past and make new music.

Will we buy disc 1 to get disc 2? almost certainly. I don't see it as any different from buying the two disc AIGT or E2E or the Storybook Snacktime when I already owned the one-disc version. I was still getting the disc I already had again. This time I will just skip the one-disc edition (probably).

I bought Disc One for the 4 new tracks it came with (and when I just went to my iTunes to make sure I had the # of songs right I see I only loaded those 4 tracks to my library since I had the others from the other CDs already). So if the new GH doesn't come with new tracks (or only comes with BBT which I already have off of iTunes) then I won't need it. If it comes as a package deal to get the other 'rarities' then fine I'll get it and file it away just like I did with all the other tracks on Disc One.

Although the original point wasn't about the new GH - it was about having an entirely separate offering of re-recorded songs by Ed and to that I still say no thanks. I love his voice - I love those songs but I'd rather they spend time on new material than recreating or re-writing history.

~jen[/QUOTE]

Jenxteen

07-26-2011, 12:19 AM

I have no interest in studio recordings of remakes. If they want to put out another rock spectacle kind of album, great. But I think a studio album of Steve songs redone would be a mistake.

AnotherHeartbreak

07-26-2011, 12:24 AM

If they released the live shows like they used to, I'd be happy with those recordings, but they are few and far between and not necessarily the best performances of each song that I've seen.

I think all the live recordings they've released have sounded great, but for me some of the S&D recordings were lacking. The sailaway and Snacktime shows sound great to me, but Ed's voice sounded pretty rough on some songs in the main events. However, telling by more recent live recordings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28KOiS_KKw) as well as various concert clips on youtube, Ed's voice was just strained from the tour. Since Steve left, I don't think they have been lacking instrumentally at all. I love Ed's voice, but I'm sure it was tough for him to go from singing half or less of the setlist to most of the setlist every night.

If they want to put out another rock spectacle kind of album, great.
Man, I wish they would!

tvfan721

07-26-2011, 09:02 PM

I don't consider it disrespectful really. The reality is (as much as I hate to say it) Steven Page has been forgotten by the fanbase. Album sales and concert sales haven't really been affected at all by his departure. They're still just as popular as they were during BLAM and they probably have a bunch of new fans that don't even know who Steven Page is. It's terrible but it's the truth. :( And it's not Ed's fault or BNL's fault, it's just the way things have worked themselves out to be.

Appleblossom28

07-26-2011, 09:09 PM

[citation needed]

It's not better or worst it's a new chapter for them. I'll never forget Steve's music but Ed is a talented guy and he should continue BNL because this is what he is. I'm not pro Ed and I know a lot of people right now wish Ed just killed BNL and went solo but really I am glad he keep going. Yes I am rambling yada yada ya but BNL are great even without Steve:)

Bruno

07-27-2011, 02:05 PM

I would rather hear a bunch of Ed songs performed by Steven Page.

Belyha

07-27-2011, 05:02 PM

They can read from the phonebook, I just want my BNL fix. New and the rarieties would be the most appreciated.

Super Dave

07-27-2011, 05:17 PM

I would rather hear a bunch of Ed songs performed by Steven Page.

Who is this Steven Page everyone keeps referring to? ;)

Dave

RockShrimp

07-27-2011, 07:50 PM

OrdinaryOne

07-27-2011, 08:55 PM

But to differ with you on your other point, I don't think BBT would be "THE" song they would re-record if they were going to.

If they were going to do it, I'd submit it would be on a song with Steve as lead vocal - BBT few in the public sphere will hear BBT performed live and go "that's not the same voice doing the high harmony. Why is Jim singing it?" But people WOULD notice "Hey, that's not the same voice singing Old Apartment". If they are going to promote a Hits album with concerts, I'd respectfully submit that if they were going to re-record anything, it would be the Steve-leads, so that in the live shows it would match up.

OK I think I wasn't clear in what I wrote - what I meant was if the plan was to release the new GH without any Steve vocals then why wouldn't have they started with BBT because they were making the video. The BBT song is going to be on the GH so that's why I thought it would be the first one and yes the easiest because only the diehards would notice that change. So why leave him in BBT if you are going to re-record Old Apartment and others. To me - it's all or leave them as is so based solely on the evidence of the video it appears that they are leaving it as is.

And they keep saying they are recording their shows and will be posting them again when they have a venue to do that .... and we wait...

~jen

TheHYPO

07-27-2011, 11:05 PM

OK I think I wasn't clear in what I wrote - what I meant was if the plan was to release the new GH without any Steve vocals then why wouldn't have they started with BBT because they were making the video. The BBT song is going to be on the GH so that's why I thought it would be the first one and yes the easiest because only the diehards would notice that change. So why leave him in BBT if you are going to re-record Old Apartment and others. To me - it's all or leave them as is so based solely on the evidence of the video it appears that they are leaving it as is.

And they keep saying they are recording their shows and will be posting them again when they have a venue to do that .... and we wait...

~jen

They also said they'd recorded the Peep Shows before the E4E tour which was the first they sold but were waiting on releasing those. That never happened. Also, that Charity Fan-Remix CD... also some sort of "digital box set" that was supposed to create some super fan experience which involved management asking the fans to send them photos and ticket stubs and setlists and all sorts of things maybe 5 years ago... and a number of other projects that have turned out to not ever materialize. I really hope they release the recordings they've said they will, but I also don't anticipate it any time soon.

Jenxteen

07-27-2011, 11:07 PM

They also said they'd recorded the Peep Shows before the E4E tour which was the first they sold but were waiting on releasing those. That never happened. Also, that Charity Fan-Remix CD... also some sort of "digital box set" that was supposed to create some super fan experience which involved management asking the fans to send them photos and ticket stubs and setlists and all sorts of things maybe 5 years ago... and a number of other projects that have turned out to not ever materialize. I really hope they release the recordings they've said they will, but I also don't anticipate it any time soon.

And the mix contest for You May Be Right. Did they ever announce a winner?

Janie

07-28-2011, 12:58 AM

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikipedian_protester.png

Love you, Willow.

Appleblossom28

07-30-2011, 04:47 PM

I would rather hear a bunch of Ed songs performed by Steven Page.

I like Ed's songs just the way they are THANKYOUVERYMUCH!

kgraves6

07-31-2011, 10:18 AM

I like Ed's songs just the way they are THANKYOUVERYMUCH!

Elvis has left the building.

MikeSwanson

08-07-2011, 07:39 AM

And the mix contest for You May Be Right. Did they ever announce a winner?

I may be crazy........ but i do believe that is not their song ;)

AnotherHeartbreak

08-07-2011, 08:02 AM

I may be crazy........ but i do believe that is not their song ;)
Haha your not crazy, I think he/she meant "Maybe Your Right".

Jenxteen

08-07-2011, 04:05 PM

Haha your not crazy, I think he/she meant "Maybe Your Right".

LOL - oops!

NFede14

08-07-2011, 10:44 PM

Or maybe even "Maybe You're Right"

Shardith

08-10-2011, 11:20 AM

I don't know if you're right, but I know about a panda who eats, shoots, and leaves... :p

KevinDontCallMeHearn

09-03-2011, 05:39 PM

I guess if they're going to "re-record" anything, it'd be on a live album.

Still, I'd love a good version of Tyler singing Alcohol.

WeedMage

09-04-2011, 03:01 AM

Steve is not forgotten.

tadviolent

10-31-2011, 03:21 AM

NO, Steven was a legend to me and re-recording his songs would seem so wrong to me. Christ, I named my Daughter after him!!!!